Dugcast fae the Dughoose – with Women for Independence

This week I am delighted to be joined by Lesley Orr and Julie Bell who are committee members for Women for Independence. Julie is also an SNP councillor, representing the Kirriemuir and Dean ward on Angus council. We chat about the WFI’s womanifesto, about the need to get more women engaged with politics, the successful work that WFI has been doing to overcome the gender gap in support for independence, the recent opinion poll confirming that there is majority support in Scotland for independence, and a whole lot more besides.

If you would like to find out more about Women for Independence, visit their website here : http://www.womenforindependence.org/

Please note that there were some audio issues with this recording. I’ve tried to clean it up as much as possible, and can only apologise if it spoils your listening pleasure.

If you have problems with the embedded podcast, you can access it directly at this link : https://soundcloud.com/user-291670852/dugcast-13-08-2020-with-women-for-independence

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6 thoughts on “Dugcast fae the Dughoose – with Women for Independence

  1. Enjoyed that despite glitches, another excellent podcast. Glad to hear Angus are finally being dragged in a better direction and women’s lives are better considered, one can only hope this spreads to the point where a “red-tent” becomes a historical anachronism.

  2. I still don’t understand how the rights of 52% of the population came under threat so quickly in the rush to appease a small, organised, aggressive group of male activists?

    Decades of hard work by generations of women dismissed without debate.

    • @Julia Gibb

      That is the question. As you allude, given what we know about how long it took for women, POC, Gay/Lesbian to gain traction – why has this push happened so quickly? Think about what has to happen for this to steamroll so quickly.
      We are used to typically pattern of movements push for years (if not decades/centuries) to make a dent in the status quo (and elite interests). It is telling that this is structurally different.

  3. Thanks for that Paul. A really interesting podcast highlighting that there are so many intelligent and articulate women, that some of us may not be aware of, working away on behalf of Scottish women. Refreshing to see following centuries of patriarchical rule in every area of life. The Tory policies, in particular, have had a dreadful impact on women especially and therefore also those that they care for such as elderly relatives and children. Looking forward to an independent Scotland with such decent and empathetic women like Lesley and Julie being at the forefront of making positive change, especially in relation to inequality in the workplace and putting paid to the “women’s work” fiasco.

  4. Also the 50s women’s pensions that were stolen, this age group of women worked hard often with two jobs plus looking after their families,
    They did not always receive sick pay or holiday pay and were on a lower wage than men.
    And as the income from a women’s pension would have contributed, along with her husband or partner if they have one, see many pensioner living up to basic level and standard,
    Many of these women are someone’s mother, auntie or sister,
    Why men have not given these women more support I do not know, especially as they do not know what is around the corner for themselves.
    Nice to see someone standing up for women.

  5. I just got the chance to listen to the Dugcast Paul and it was great.

    Where have all these brilliant women come from? It fills me with inspiration to hear, see and read them. We are so very fortunate.

    I want to see them fundamentally influence how Scotland develops from now – right at the centre of our movement, not peripherally. I want Scotland to be as they want it to be. I personally have always believed Scotland should be independent because it is a country and should control its own affairs to reflect the values, beliefs and traditions of its people. I sense that the women you interviewed and the strong women leading the SNP reflect those values – updated. I want Scotland to be an independent country that lives and breathes equality of participation encompassing gender, race, belief, age and intellectual capacity.

    A better life for my grandchildren to be part of if they so choose.

    Thanks for your work Paul.

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